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Yes…, yes…, I like what you’ve done there… but aren’t you missing the point of Musical Theatre? It’s funny. And as a wiser man than I once said, “Funny is always better than good”.
Hmm. You’re right. But I don’t like it. How am I ever going to bring myself to write the double-suicide Can Can finale of Shakespeare’s Monkeys now? Eh?
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They do appear to be.
I’ve written and deleted this comment three times now because I could write an essay here. I’m in a particularly ranty mood.
Basically, what’s the problem with being entertained, watching something because it makes you happy, if part of an artistically controlled diet?
I’d like to draw your attention to the logical conundrum at the top of the page:
[Musical Theatre] can never express anything deeper than the purely superficial, and can’t show anything interesting about the world.
Mike Bartlett & I are, intermittently, working on a project together, involving music by me and words by him.
Does this imply that it is impossible for your work to be good?(I have a hatred of superlatives because I am a wuss)
How are you with verse plays? Or opera?
Are you implying that Spamalot is funny? Avenue Q isn’t ground breaking. It’s just an adult romcom. It’s the stage equivalent of Shaun of the Dead.
Must stop rambling. Must go back to work.
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I pretty much agree with all your points. And what the first comment said.
It’s only for about a generation that Musical Theatre has taken itself seriously and pretended it was “good” theatre.
Which is a mistake — modern musicals are descended more or less from American book musicals which were descended from an unholy gobbledegook of really awful 19th Century American melodramas, stranded European can-can girls and a displaced orchestra.
But than again, what do I know? I thought Edward II would be better with a few Franz Ferdinand songs in.
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(SOED) Musical: A film or a theatrical piece (not opera or operetta) of which music is an essential element.
I didn’t choose Shaun of the Dead at random. They both play the meta game in very similar ways. They are set in variants of established worlds which they play off but do not acknowledge. On top of this they drop a romantic comedy story. They use perversion of the standard forms of those worlds to create humour. They both resort to a blatant Deus Ex Machina in order to give some kind of happy ending. Even the foreshadowing is there, although in SOTD it’s done as an in joke while in Q it’s done with a sledgehammer.
I agree with most of what your saying, but I’m inevitably going to find it difficult not defending something which I love so much. If someone acts through music well, it can cut through a lot. I think most of what I value about live music is watching someone who cares about what they’re playing.
I still get a thrill when I listen to a new Sondheim or a new William Finn. I cried at the end of The Drowsy Chaperone, where the lonely man has his only happiness ripped from him by a quirk of fate. I still leave a pantomime giggling like a child. If you suggest that these things are wrong, then I will inevitably have to invoke Godwin’s Law, just in time for the emotional headfuck of Tomorrow Belongs To Me.
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I think you are a fool. If you had gone away and actually done some research into musical theatre you would be able to find a contradiction to nearly every point you raised. Take a look at Stephen Sondheim’s musicals, Sweeney Todd for instance has no glam or glitz and the music is certainly not how did you put it “always trite, cliché-ridden, cheap and emotionally manipulative, and the narrative likewise.”
Singing and acting are both hard but this is the point you want to see a person stretch them self’s and show their talent. I do not see you arguing that Opera is SHIT; Opera is great and was the birth of musical theatre. I have been a classical singer for 10 years but two years ago I changed my direction and have headed towards musical theatre, I find the emotion and delivery of a caricature here in a way that I could never have felt in some of the opera that I have sung.
You miss the point of musical theatre; it is not there to give you an exact replica of the world it is supposed to glam it up a bit (or a lot) and of course there are some that take this to a extreme take Barry Manilow’s “Copac bana” as an example but this does not give you the right to condemn musical theatre as a whole.
Musicals are expensive but this is due to the tec side being very costly, however there are exceptions I don’t know if you have heard of Jason Robert Browns “the last 5 years” but here is an example of a show which can be easily pulled off with virtually no tec at all. And take Avenu Q as an example of a non PC musical.

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